Universet & dets hemmeligheter ⇒ Eris/Nibiru/Planet X 2012/2013

[BA.]

BTW, Kent Hovind, sitter ikke han i fengsel for tiden?

[Kimbara]

Jeg må LE, et raskt søk på nettet, avslører løynen, det forteller at du tar det første og beste du finner.

Det var ikke det første jeg fant, men det var en grei og lettfattelig samling av noen av de viktigste funnene. Fint og oversiktelig med bilder og kildehenvisning. Hvis du mener artikkelen er feilaktig er du hjertelig velkommen til å vise hva som er feil med den.

du trenger ikke skrive noe som helst.

det er andre på dette forumet som har meninger, som kan prate, som ikke absolutt vil sette til veggs, spikre fast, vinne debatten!

Hvis det er slik du føler det, sier det egentlig mer om deg og ditt forhold til diskusjon. Hvis du fremsetter påstander må du forvente å bli møtt med kritiske spørsmål og innvendinger. Hvis du føler du blir "satt til veggs" når du blir spurt om argumenter er kanskje ikke diskusjon noe for deg. Det betyr dog ikke at jeg lar påstander om kreasjonismens "ektehet" liggende uimotsagt. Hvis du ikke ønsker å diskutere er det ingen som tvinger deg.

Kimbara du er ikke forpliktet til og skrive på tråden, du er ikke forpliktet til og "forklare", jeg opplever deg som "kåt" på og sette til veggs og gå ut som "seiersherre"
å dette gjelder ikke bare meg men mange andre forfattere på forumet som har forsøkt og komme med sine meninger, konklusjoner og overbevisninger.

Ja, det er mange som ikke takler diskusjon. Det betyr dog ikke at de har rett i sin kritikk - det er kun følelsen de får fordi de kanskje ikke kan forklare seg godt nok. Jeg forstår det, men det gjør ikke at jeg forandrer meningene mine. Det betyr heller ikke at jeg akter å la saker og ting bli fremstilt som fakta ukritisk.

Sånn sett føler jeg meg forpliktet til å rette opp i feil, misforståelser og løgner på de områdene jeg har kunnskap. Synd at enkelte ikke tåler at de har tatt feil på enkelte områder. På samme måte som jeg søker å oppklare slike ting, oppfordrer jeg alle til å gjøre det samme med meg.

Jeg kommer til og fortsette med formuleringene mine på denne tråden angående Nibiru, evolusjon, kreasjonisme, 2012/2013 osv.
de av dere som forlanger bevis får ikke det, bare min overbevisning som også er min tro.

Jeg kommer ikke til og gi beviser men jeg fremlegger min overbevisning på min måte i de kommende postingene fra meg.

Du skriver hva du vil, selvfølgelig, men forvent ikke at alle reaksjoner og svar du får passer deg og dine overbevisninger. Det er tåpelig å bli fornærmet når noen ønsker å diskutere påstandene du kommer med.

Kimbara, Takk for praten!

Jo, det var da så lite. Skulle ønske vi kunne få en litt mer fornuftig diskusjon rundt emnet, men hvis du ikke ønsker dette får det være ditt valg

[Kimbara]

BTW, Kent Hovind, sitter ikke han i fengsel for tiden?

Jo, stemmer det. Han sitter inne på tredje året for en rekke økonomisk relaterte kriminelle handlinger, om jeg ikke tar helt feil.

[Y.B]

Dere er helt på tryne, her inne, å den måten som dere diskuterer med andre på, to stykker som bombarderer en, å det kaller dere for å diskutere.

[BA.]

Ved en kjapp gjennomgang av tråden har jeg sett 12 som skriver seg enig med Haxagram og 12 som skriver seg uenig. 7 stykker har skrevet innlegg jeg ikke umiddelbart kan tolke hverken pro eller con påstandene.

At noen hopper av diskusjonen underveis er en del av spillet, og hvis det er 3 igjen, så vil det være to for den ene siden og en for den andre. Nå som du melder deg tilbake i diskusjonen (med usaklig innspill) er det igjen likevekt, med to for hvert syn.

[Kræsj]

Personlig er jeg skeptisk til hele greia. Hakke engang gidda å gjøre så mye research, men kom over et youtube klipp her istad, som er litt interessant. Hva det er, det vet jeg ikke. Det står "2012 Nibiru real video" uten å hele tatt kunne bevise noe som helst om at det er det, men uansett hva det er så er det ganske kult
[youtube]RyNSrABthUY&feature=channel[/youtube]

[kaddis]

skjønner ikke hva som er så spesielt med dette klippet, min logiske sans tilsier at dette er selvsagt ett vindu med flere lag glass, dermed så kan det se ut som noe ekstra utenfor solen

[Kræsj]

skjønner ikke hva som er så spesielt med dette klippet, min logiske sans tilsier at dette er selvsagt ett vindu med flere lag glass, dermed så kan det se ut som noe ekstra utenfor solen

Hvis du virkelig hadde sett hele klippet, sett ordentlig etter og kanskje gjort litt research så ser man vel at dette ikke er noe gjenspeiling av lyset. Når kameraet flytter på seg, så flytter fortsatt ikke "objektet" seg, og størrelsen forandrer seg ikke. Man kan også faktisk se kulen gå bak den ene skyen

Her:


Jeg sier fortsatt ikke at dette er Nibiru, men kult er det uansett. Kanskje det er Venus eller wtf?

PS: kanskje du må få sjekket din "logiske sans" hos legen..

[ludoburgero]

For å ikke kunne kritisere person, velger jeg å ikke navngi kilde til innlegget.
Det er fra et annet forum, så det er bare til å søke det opp uansett.
Hensikten er at jeg synes det er mange gode poeng med det vedkommende skriver,
for hvis man har undersøkt litt selv - så er mange av disse poengene saker man kan sjekke opp over nett selv, og historiene er der til skue for oss alle.

Litt lesestoff


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TWO SUNS IN THE SUNSET
A LINK TO THE SECRETS OF HUMANITY?


This piece is written for those lost & living, also for the benefit of each and everyone of us who need to know the coming changes,catastrophes that face this planet. Although I do not know the entire picture, my research & studies has led me to these conclusions so please read on, make what you will of it and most importantly draw your own conclusions.

For many years now I have for some unknown reason been fascinated with UFOS and have seen some quite remarkable DVDS and documents which clearly show that we are being watched as a species and what better way of phrasing them than that of “The Watchers” I have, as many have tried to figure out just whats going on and as many of you know our opinions beliefs all differ and as i like to call it : Its the search of all searches with so many twists an turns.

Lets take a look at firstly the Nephilim or The Fallen Angels. As everyone is aware they derive from the biblical texts and from Ancient Sumerian tablets. Who were they? My conclusions are yes they did exist and secondly I also believe they have been misinterpreted by of course the Religious Conclusions.
I have heard many accounts of people in recent times having Dreams/Visions of things coming from the sky some particular individual's claimed they saw the end of days and saw black triangles coming out of the sky! Does the vision portray the UFOS known as the “Black Triangles”?
I believe yes! But whom do they belong too? The Nephilim? The ones who took a liking to the Daughters of Men. I believe these interpretation's to be correct they are the Fallen Angels not cast down but “came down from Heaven”. As Science has now proven Evolution of the Human Race was made of Intelligent Design but from where? Well for those people who have put their faith in God the answer is easy “God made Man in his Image” Sumerian/Egyptian/Greek mythology have always spoken of the Gods and I am now convinced the studies & writings of Mr Zecharia Sitchin to be 100% correct but what about the missing Planet referred to as Nibiru or Planet X surely this sounds outrageous we all know our Solar System from the teachings of Primary and Secondary School or do we?? People its time to wake up whatever corner you turn we the people have been fed lie after lie its happened for many many years. This planet I believe is in real trouble and yes biblical texts especially the “Flood” will be witnessed by all again.

It is now proven that a brown dwarf Planet has been found in our Milky Way and guess where they believe its headed folks “this way!!”One may ask why haven't I heard about this in the local media well ask yourself why would you” its the last thing these so called powers of this Planet wont you to know! All they are telling us is Global Warning is upon us and we are to blame. Let me tell you this: Of course we are to blame but thats not whats warming things up around here Nibiru is making itself known just as the Ancient Sumerian tablets have told us. The Planet is to pass between our neighboring Planets Jupiter and Mars. When you may ask? 2012 is looking to be the correct time. Were the Mayans right? Is this why the calendar stops? I have a firm belief they were right.
The Sumerian's named it “Nibiru”
The Egyptians named it “The Destroyer”

Underground bases, more so underground cities would be a better term id use are everywhere and why the secrecy. Because its classified and they do not want you to know only those of the Global Elite will have their little underground mansions with enough food and water to last them until they can return to the surface 5-10 years after the catastrophe.
Coast to Coast Am had a classic call, back in the late Eighties with a caller who claimed to be out on sick leave from Area 51 who was hysterical to say the least claiming that his call would soon be found and he had little time. He explained that since the space program Humanity was Involved with an ET Race whom were as he describes“multi dimensional beings who were not what they claimed to be?, and that they knew of all Earths upcoming Catastrophes and that there were “safe spots” on this Planet that they should be telling the people but were not in order to be able to control the minority of those left. This individual was cut mysteriously from the radio airwaves. Although he did not have the chance to tell us of what Catastrophes were coming don't you think it fits in with what I am explaining here? I do not believe this was a hoax.

As the Chinese have stated when two suns appear on the horizon times up folks and they were not kidding. Great Floods/Extreme temperatures you name it. So if there is these so called safe spots where are they one must en devour to find out- but if all this is true and I believe we are all spiritual beings who live on in the after life perhaps we should leave them down here to rot. This brings me back to the Nephilim are they indeed our creators and as some have claimed such visions as above ,will they take us away to a better place? Is this why the Mayan/Sumerian people were never found? And why we were left with such amazing structures on this planet?

Alien Abductions and the New Genetic Human.
One must also ask the question is this also the reason for why masses of people claim to be abducted by aliens and given medical experiments? After the catastrophe is this indeed the ancient cycle that has taken place time and time again? Lets send down the new lot see how they get on? This also seems to perhaps fit the story.

There are still many parts we don't know but i think this is a big piece of it.
I claim no new discoveries here i have taken bits and pieces from many other people and simply tried to put the links back in the chain try to get Humanity's wheels back in motion so to speak.

I recommend any who are interested to check out
Zecharia Sitchin The Earth Chronicles
Marshall Masters – studies on Planet X
Bill Stanley -ancient astronauts/nephilim studies
Neil Freer-Breaking the godspell/Godgames

[ludoburgero]

Jeg vil komme med litt mer her også, fra forskjellige sider.
Synes denne greia begynner å virke spennende nå, etter hva jeg har sett.

The media controllers are falsely blaming widely known and discussed weather changes on global warming or sun cycles. They are keeping quiet about the same level of abrupt changes in quake or volcanic activity happening simultaneously, although they can't help but report major events hitting populated areas. It'd be quite a stretch for them to blame all this on global warming and sun cycles too.

NASA discovered and excitedly disclosed having found Planet X. It was December 30th, 1983 that announcement was made by the chief scientist of the IRAS satellite to 6 dailies. I've got all the headlines in my book. Shortly thereafter, the media controllers got wind of the disclosure and clamped down by having them retract the statements. They've since made up an extremely simplistic
story to explain away the original perturbations of the outer planets that ultimately led to finding Planet X. As far as explaining away having made the announcement, the best they could come up with is that it was misunderstood.

[ludoburgero]

Og hvis noen er interessert i den originale artikkelen i Washington Post, 1983?
Her er den:

Possibly as Large as Jupiter;
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered



By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through.

"All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and
has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous
planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a
great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact
that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.

"If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of
Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the
IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists
would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from
last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its
telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six
months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky
near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

"This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've
observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved
if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have
moved in six months time."

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40
degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope
aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are
only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as
50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.

"It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much
cold water as I can."

Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the
solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain.
It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot
enough like the sun to become a star.

While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that
they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck "hope" the mystery body is a distant
galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its
starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

"I believe it's one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe
before," Neugebauer said.

"If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how the
universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on."

The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it
with the world's largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro
del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in
California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough
and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite
has pinpointed its position.

(ITEM 123)December 31, 1983, Saturday, Final Edition
(ITEM 127)The distance from earth of a mysterious object in space was reported incorrectly
in some editions yesterday. The correct figure is 50 billion miles.

Articles appear as they were originally printed in The Washington Post and may not
include subsequent corrections.

[Deep Space]

bra at du fant artiklene ludo. Spennende lesing.

Og det er jo høyst sannsynlig at ikke bare EN planet til fantes i vårt nåværende solsystem. Kanskje enda fler. Det fantes minst 3 soler her. Dette er en teori som er svært lite omdiskutert og teorien truer dagens teorier slik som Big Bang og andre.

Se http://www.universeorigin.freeservers.com/
for mer informasjon og studer siden nøye.

Men...hvis planet X er på vei inn i vårt solsystem nå, så ville vi visst det. Det er garantert. Jeg mener fortsatt at det hele er juks og fanteri og en "internet hype" eller skal vi si youtube.. pga han sitchin fyrens falske bøker....

Se om du finner noe info om denne sitchin, FØR 1976. Da han kom ut med sin pseudohistoriske skremsel bok. Mer info:
http://skepdic.com/sitchin.html

[Kræsj]

Dette har vel kanskje ikke noe med planet x/nibiru å gjøre, men det har noe med 2012 å gjøre. Dette er også tatt fra et annet forum, men det er veldig interessant. Artikkelen viser hva som skjer med magnetfeltet rundt jorden og den kommende solstormen(rett ord?) som i følge fysikkprofessoren Michio Kaku(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku) mener skal komme i 2012.

Her er en smakebit:


om du vil lese mer, så se her:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread462215/pg1

[Deep Space]

Kræsj:
Det er som fysikeren sier en mulighet for sterk solstorm i 2012, men dette har jo skjedd før da. Uten at det ble global katastrofe.

[Deep Space]

Kan legge til en ting til..
For at det skal bli en global katastrofe på jorden, så må altså solas magnet poler snu's ekstremt raskt. Iløpet av få timer bare. Dette TROR man KAN ha skjedd for ( etpar millioner ) år siden?

Skjer dette i 2012 så er vi kokt, sprengt, vridd i fillebiter, og skremt til vannvidd intill 99.9% av jordas boefolkning er døde, da det vil være vulkaner på aker brygge, tsunamier på størrelse med himalaya, og jordskjelv 24 timer i døgnet.