Fakta, teori & skepsis ⇒ Hvordan bli skeptiker!

[Treo]

Her er en liten how-to guide for hvordan være skeptiker. Jeg har uthevet de tingene jeg mener er viktigst for å være en god skeptiker (not), så kan jo andre bedømme selv hvorvidt de er enig i det. Merk: dette er ikke ment som et angrep på skeptikere, kun et humoristisk innlegg.

NB: Hvis du ikke gidder å lese alt, les iallefall noe av det jeg har uthevet.




HOW TO DEBUNK JUST ABOUT ANYTHING

Part 1: General Debunkery

<> Before commencing to debunk, prepare your equipment. Equipment needed: one armchair.

<> Put on the right face. Cultivate a condescending air that suggests that your personal opinions are backed by the full faith and credit of God. Employ vague, subjective, dismissive terms such as "ridiculous" or "trivial" in a manner that suggests they have the full force of scientific authority.

<> Portray science not as an open-ended process of discovery but as a holy war against unruly hordes of quackery- worshipping infidels. Since in war the ends justify the means, you may fudge, stretch or violate the scientific method, or even omit it entirely, in the name of defending the scientific method.

<> Keep your arguments as abstract and theoretical as possible. This will "send the message" that accepted theory overrides any actual evidence that might challenge it--and that therefore no such evidence is worth examining.

<> Reinforce the popular misconception that certain subjects are inherently unscientific. In other words, deliberately confuse the *process* of science with the *content* of science. (Someone may, of course, object that since science is a universal approach to truth-seeking it must be neutral to subject matter; hence, only the investigative *process* can be scientifically responsible or irresponsible. If that happens, dismiss such objections using a method employed successfully by generations of politicians: simply reassure everyone that "there is no contradiction here!")

<> Arrange to have your message echoed by persons of authority. The degree to which you can stretch the truth is directly proportional to the prestige of your mouthpiece.

<> Always refer to unorthodox statements as "claims," which are "touted," and to your own assertions as "facts," which are "stated."

<> Avoid examining the actual evidence. This allows you to say with impunity, "I have seen absolutely no evidence to support such ridiculous claims!" (Note that this technique has withstood the test of time, and dates back at least to the age of Galileo. By simply refusing to look through his telescope, the ecclesiastical authorities bought the Church over three centuries' worth of denial free and clear!)

<> If examining the evidence becomes unavoidable, report back that "there is nothing new here!" If confronted by a watertight body of evidence that has survived the most rigorous tests, simply dismiss it as being "too pat."

<> Equate the necessary skeptical component of science with *all* of science. Emphasize the narrow, stringent, rigorous and critical elements of science to the exclusion of intuition, inspiration, exploration and integration. If anyone objects, accuse them of viewing science in exclusively fuzzy, subjective or metaphysical terms.

<> Insist that the progress of science depends on explaining the unknown in terms of the known. In other words, science equals reductionism. You can apply the reductionist approach in any situation by discarding more and more and more evidence until what little is left can finally be explained entirely in terms of established knowledge.

<> Downplay the fact that free inquiry and legitimate disagreement are a normal part of science.

<> Make yourself available to media producers who seek "balanced reporting" of unorthodox views. However, agree to participate in only those presentations whose time constraints and a-priori bias preclude such luxuries as discussion, debate and cross-examination.

<> At every opportunity reinforce the notion that what is familiar is necessarily rational. The unfamiliar is therefore irrational, and consequently inadmissible as evidence.

<> State categorically that the unconventional may be dismissed as, at best, an honest misinterpretation of the conventional.

<> Characterize your opponents as "uncritical believers." Summarily dismiss the notion that debunkery itself betrays uncritical belief, albeit in the status quo.

<> Maintain that in investigations of unconventional phenomena, a single flaw invalidates the whole. In conventional contexts, however, you may sagely remind the world that, "after all, situations are complex and human beings are imperfect."

<> "Occam's Razor," or the "principle of parsimony," says the correct explanation of a mystery will usually involve the simplest fundamental principles. Insist, therefore, that the most familiar explanation is by definition the simplest! Imply strongly that Occam's Razor is not merely a philosophical rule of thumb but an immutable law.

<> Discourage any study of history that may reveal today's dogma as yesterday's heresy. Likewise, avoid discussing the many historical, philosophical and spiritual parallels between science and democracy.

<> Since the public tends to be unclear about the distinction between evidence and proof, do your best to help maintain this murkiness. If absolute proof is lacking, state categorically that "there is no evidence!"

<> If sufficient evidence has been presented to warrant further investigation of an unusual phenomenon, argue that "evidence alone proves nothing!" Ignore the fact that preliminary evidence is not supposed to prove *any*thing.

<> In any case, imply that proof precedes evidence. This will eliminate the possibility of initiating any meaningful process of investigation--particularly if no criteria of proof have yet been established for the phenomenon in question.

<> Insist that criteria of proof cannot possibly be established for phenomena that do not exist!

<> Although science is not supposed to tolerate vague or double standards, always insist that unconventional phenomena must be judged by a separate, yet ill-defined, set of scientific rules. Do this by declaring that "extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence"-- but take care never to define where the "ordinary" ends and the "extraordinary" begins. This will allow you to manufacture an infinitely receding evidential horizon; i.e., to define "extraordinary" evidence as that which lies just out of reach at any point in time.

<> In the same manner, insist on classes of evidence that are impossible to obtain. For example, declare that unidentified aerial phenomena may be considered real only if we can bring them into laboratories to strike them with hammers and analyze their physical properties. Disregard the accomplishments of the inferential sciences--astronomy, for example, which gets on just fine without bringing actual planets, stars, galaxies and black holes into its labs and striking them with hammers.

<> Practice debunkery-by-association. Lump together all phenomena popularly deemed paranormal and suggest that their proponents and researchers speak with a single voice. In this way you can indiscriminately drag material across disciplinary lines or from one case to another to support your views as needed. For example, if a claim having some superficial similarity to the one at hand has been (or is popularly assumed to have been) exposed as fraudulent, cite it as if it were an appropriate example. Then put on a gloating smile, lean back in your armchair and just say "I rest my case."

<> Use the word "imagination" as an epithet that applies only to seeing what's *not* there, and not to denying what *is* there.

<> If a significant number of people agree that they have observed something that violates the consensus reality, simply ascribe it to "mass hallucination." Avoid addressing the possibility that the consensus reality might itself constitute a mass hallucination.

<> Ridicule, ridicule, ridicule. It is far and away the single most chillingly effective weapon in the war against discovery and innovation. Ridicule has the unique power to make people of virtually any persuasion go completely unconscious in a twinkling. It fails to sway only those few who are of sufficiently independent mind not to buy into the kind of emotional consensus that ridicule provides.

<> By appropriate innuendo and example, imply that ridicule constitutes an essential feature of the scientific method that can raise the level of objectivity and dispassionateness with which any investigation is conducted.

<> If pressed about your novel interpretations of the scientific method, declare that "intellectual integrity is a subtle issue."

<> Imply that investigators of the unorthodox are zealots. Suggest that in order to investigate the existence of something one must first believe in it absolutely. Then demand that all such "true believers" know all the answers to their most puzzling questions in complete detail ahead of time. Convince people of your own sincerity by reassuring them that you yourself would "love to believe in these fantastic phenomena." Carefully sidestep the fact that science is not about believing or disbelieving, but about finding out.

<> Use "smoke and mirrors," i.e., obfuscation and illusion. Never forget that a slippery mixture of fact, opinion, innuendo, out-of-context information and outright lies will fool most of the people most of the time. As little as one part fact to ten parts B.S. will usually do the trick. (Some veteran debunkers use homeopathic dilutions of fact with remarkable success!) Cultivate the art of slipping back and forth between fact and fiction so undetectably that the flimsiest foundation of truth will always appear to firmly support your entire edifice of opinion.

<> Employ "TCP": Technically Correct Pseudo-refutation. Example: if someone remarks that all great truths began as blasphemies, respond immediately that not all blasphemies have become great truths. Because your response was technically correct, no one will notice that it did not really refute the original remark.

<> Trivialize the case by trivializing the entire field in question. Characterize the study of orthodox phenomena as deep and time-consuming, while deeming that of unorthodox phenomena so insubstantial as to demand nothing more than a scan of the tabloids. If pressed on this, simply say "but there's nothing there to study!" Characterize any serious investigator of the unorthodox as a "buff" or "freak," or as "self-styled"-- the media's favorite code-word for "bogus."

<> Remember that most people do not have sufficient time or expertise for careful discrimination, and tend to accept or reject the whole of an unfamiliar situation. So discredit the whole story by attempting to discredit *part* of the story. Here's how: a) take one element of a case completely out of context; b) find something prosaic that hypothetically could explain it; c) declare that therefore that one element has been explained; d) call a press conference and announce to the world that the entire case has been explained!

<> Engage the services of a professional stage magician who can mimic the phenomenon in question; for example, ESP, psychokinesis or levitation. This will convince the public that the original claimants or witnesses to such phenomena must themselves have been (or been fooled by) talented stage magicians who hoaxed the original phenomenon in precisely the same way.

<> Find a prosaic phenomenon that, to the uninitiated, resembles the claimed phenomenon. Then suggest that the existence of the commonplace look-alike somehow forbids the existence of the genuine article. For example, imply that since people often see "faces" in rocks and clouds, the enigmatic Face on Mars must be a similar illusion and therefore cannot possibly be artificial.

<> When an unexplained phenomenon demonstrates evidence of intelligence (as in the case of the mysterious crop circles) focus exclusively on the mechanism that might have been wielded by the intelligence rather than the intelligence that might have wielded the mechanism. The more attention you devote to the mechanism, the more easily you can distract people from considering the possibility of non-ordinary intelligence.

<> Accuse investigators of unusual phenomena of believing in "invisible forces and extrasensory realities." If they should point out that the physical sciences have *always* dealt with invisible forces and extrasensory realities (gravity? electromagnetism? . . . ) respond with a condescending chuckle that this is "a naive interpretation of the facts."

<> Insist that western science is completely objective, and is based on no untestable assumptions, covert beliefs or ideological interests. If an unfamiliar or inexplicable phenomenon happens to be considred true and/or useful by a nonwestern or other traditional society, you may dismiss it out of hand as "ignorant misconception," "medieval superstition" or "fairy lore."

<> Label any poorly-understood phenomenon "occult," "fringe," "paranormal," "metaphysical," "mystical," "supernatural," or "new-age." This will get most mainstream scientists off the case immediately on purely emotional grounds. If you're lucky, this may delay any responsible investigation of such phenomena by decades or even centuries!

<> Ask questions that appear to contain generally-assumed knowledge that supports your views; for example, "why do no police officers, military pilots, air traffic controllers or psychiatrists report UFOs?" (If someone points out that they do, insist that those who do must be mentally unstable.)

<> Ask unanswerable questions based on arbitrary criteria of proof. For example, "if this claim were true, why haven't we seen it on TV?" or "in this or that scientific journal?" Never forget the mother of all such questions: "If UFOs are extraterrestrial, why haven't they landed on the White House lawn?"

<> Similarly, reinforce the popular fiction that our scientific knowledge is complete and finished. Do this by asserting that "if such-and-such were true, we would would already know about it!"

<> Remember that you can easily appear to refute anyone's claims by building "straw men" to demolish. One way to do this is to misquote them while preserving that convincing grain of truth; for example, by acting as if they have intended the extreme of any position they've taken. Another effective strategy with a long history of success is simply to mis- replicate their experiments--or to avoid replicating them at all on grounds that "to do so would be ridiculous or fruitless." To make the whole process even easier, respond not to their actual claims but to their claims as reported by the media, or as propagated in popular myth.

<> Insist that such-and-such unorthodox claim is not scientifically testable because no self-respecting grantmaking organization would fund such ridiculous tests.

<> Be selective. For example, if an unorthodox healing practice has failed to reverse a case of terminal illness you may deem it worthless--while taking care to avoid mentioning any of the shortcomings of conventional medicine.

<> Hold claimants responsible for the production values and editorial policies of any media or press that reports their claim. If an unusual or inexplicable event is reported in a sensationalized manner, hold this as proof that the event itself must have been without substance or worth.

<> When a witness or claimant states something in a manner that is scientifically imperfect, treat this as if it were not scientific at all. If the claimant is not a credentialed scientist, argue that his or her perceptions cannot possibly be objective.

<> If you're unable to attack the facts of the case, attack the participants--or the journalists who reported the case. *Ad- hominem* arguments, or personality attacks, are among the most powerful ways of swaying the public and avoiding the issue. For example, if investigators of the unorthodox have profited financially from activities connected with their research, accuse them of "profiting financially from activities connected with their research!" If their research, publishing, speaking tours and so forth, constitute their normal line of work or sole means of support, hold that fact as "conclusive proof that income is being realized from such activities!" If they have labored to achieve public recognition for their work, you may safely characterize them as "publicity seekers."

<> Fabricate supportive expertise as needed by quoting the opinions of those in fields popularly assumed to include the necessary knowledge. Astronomers, for example, may be trotted out as experts on the UFO question, although course credits in ufology have never been a prerequisite for a degree in astronomy.

<> Fabricate confessions. If a phenomenon stubbornly refuses to go away, set up a couple of colorful old geezers to claim they hoaxed it. The press and the public will always tend to view confessions as sincerely motivated, and will promptly abandon their critical faculties. After all, nobody wants to appear to lack compassion for self-confessed sinners.

<> Fabricate sources of disinformation. Claim that you've "found the person who started the rumor that such a phenomenon exists!"

<> Fabricate entire research projects. Declare that "these claims have been thoroughly discredited by the top experts in the field!" Do this whether or not such experts have ever actually studied the claims, or, for that matter, even exist.


Kilde: http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/%7Ebdj10/s ... rasin.html

[^Idril^]

om du tror jeg gadd å lese alt det?

[Treo]

om du tror jeg gadd å lese alt det?

Kanskje ikke du, men kanskje noen andre gidder? Du trenger jo ikke lese alt heller, bare det jeg har uthevet f.eks.

[lille_mia]

om du tror jeg gadd å lese alt det?

det va liksom det eg og tenkte Også på engelsk..
Sorry altså Treo :mozilla_wink: Sikkert bra det du har skrevet altså

[Treo]

om du tror jeg gadd å lese alt det?

det va liksom det eg og tenkte Også på engelsk..
Sorry altså Treo :mozilla_wink: Sikkert bra det du har skrevet altså

Det er ikke jeg som har skrevet det. Jeg har lenket til hvor jeg fikk det fra helt nederst i innlegget. Hvis alle synes at det er for mye, kanskje jeg skulle fjerne en del av det? Evt kan jeg oversette noe av det. Uansett vil jeg anbefale å lese det som er uthevet.

[Bixz]

Hvordan være Troende.

Glem alt du har lært om vitenskap og logikk.
Ikke tenk rasjonelt.
Det var ikke en gren som dunket på vinduet,
det var hjelperen din som sa ifra at det blåser ute.
Alt kommer ned til tro, selv om det motsatte er bevist.

Bare måtte.

[Treo]

Hvordan være Troende.

Glem alt du har lært om vitenskap og logikk.
Ikke tenk rasjonelt.
Det var ikke en gren som dunket på vinduet,
det var hjelperen din som sa ifra at det blåser ute.
Alt kommer ned til tro, selv om det motsatte er bevist.

Bare måtte.

Hehe, joda, det er sikkert noen gjør det på den måten, men slett ikke alle. Forøvrig vil jeg henvise til denne angående det å klassifisere alle som tror på noe som "troende" slik du gjør:

<> Characterize your opponents as "uncritical believers." Summarily dismiss the notion that debunkery itself betrays uncritical belief, albeit in the status quo.

[Bob_stew]

Leste ikke alt sammen, men jeg tok poenget. Vær så snill, ikke kall det du (humoristisk, men likevel) beskriver for "skeptiker". Kall det 'dårlig skeptiker'. Ellers kan jo eventuelle lesere som det går litt raskt i svingene for (ikke leser alt du har skrevet f.eks) misforstå hele poenget med denne tråden og tro at du mener at skepsis er en negativ ting.

Hvordan være Troende.

Glem alt du har lært om vitenskap og logikk.
Ikke tenk rasjonelt.
Det var ikke en gren som dunket på vinduet,
det var hjelperen din som sa ifra at det blåser ute.
Alt kommer ned til tro, selv om det motsatte er bevist.

Sant sant, dog naturligvis overdrevet. *kremt*religion*kremt*
Faktisk ganske godt sagt. Den siste setningen altså.
Personlig er jeg overhodet ikke troende. Hadde jeg ikke sett håndfast bevis for telepati, clairvoyance, telekinese o.l, ville jeg vært en ganske hardnakket skeptiker. (Forhåpentligvis av den gode sorten. ) Så jeg har ingenting imot skeptikere, med mindre de viser nøyaktig null nysgjerrighet.

[Treo]

Leste ikke alt sammen, men jeg tok poenget. Vær så snill, ikke kall det du (humoristisk, men likevel) beskriver for "skeptiker". Kall det 'dårlig skeptiker'.
Ellers kan jo eventuelle lesere som det går litt raskt i svingene for (ikke leser alt du har skrevet f.eks) misforstå hele poenget med denne tråden og tro at du mener at skepsis er en negativ ting.

Jeg burde kanskje presisere at det var ment ironisk, hvis det var noen som ikke forsto det.

Hvordan være Troende.

Glem alt du har lært om vitenskap og logikk.
Ikke tenk rasjonelt.
Det var ikke en gren som dunket på vinduet,
det var hjelperen din som sa ifra at det blåser ute.
Alt kommer ned til tro, selv om det motsatte er bevist.

Sant sant, dog naturligvis overdrevet. *kremt*religion*kremt*
Faktisk ganske godt sagt. Den siste setningen altså.
Personlig er jeg overhodet ikke troende. Hadde jeg ikke sett håndfast bevis for telepati, clairvoyance, telekinese o.l, ville jeg vært en ganske hardnakket skeptiker. (Forhåpentligvis av den gode sorten. ) Så jeg har ingenting imot skeptikere, med mindre de viser nøyaktig null nysgjerrighet.

Jeg er på mange måter i samme båt som deg. Jeg er ikke troende når det gjelder religion, men jeg tror på andre ting basert på ting jeg har erfart som ikke kan forklares på andre måter, som de tingene du nevner der. Jeg vil også presisere at sann skeptisisme er en god ting, og da mener jeg å sette spørsmålstegn ved ting som virker tvilsomt, men også være villig til å skifte mening dersom man har grunn til det, og være villig til å undersøke ting med et åpent sinn. Kort fortalt: skeptisk, men med et åpent sinn. Poenget med denne tråden var å få folk til å se det ironiske ved pseudo-skeptisisme.

[karina]

Jeg er på mange måter i samme båt som deg. Jeg er ikke troende når det gjelder religion, men jeg tror på andre ting basert på ting jeg har erfart som ikke kan forklares på andre måter, som de tingene du nevner der. Jeg vil også presisere at sann skeptisisme er en god ting, og da mener jeg å sette spørsmålstegn ved ting som virker tvilsomt, men også være villig til å skifte mening dersom man har grunn til det. Kort fortalt: skeptisk, men med et åpent sinn. Poenget med denne tråden var å få folk til å se det ironiske ved pseudo-skeptisisme.

JA! Der sa du det.

[RedFox]

har lest alt og sovna nesten.
men eg gidder ikke gjøre,si eller tenke på det .

[snuppedilla]

kan man bare ikke ta på seg et stenansikt ala=null interesse, litt bortvendt sittestilling med kroppen og kun si: JASSÅ med overbærende tone...?

[Bixz]

Leste ikke alt sammen, men jeg tok poenget. Vær så snill, ikke kall det du (humoristisk, men likevel) beskriver for "skeptiker". Kall det 'dårlig skeptiker'. Ellers kan jo eventuelle lesere som det går litt raskt i svingene for (ikke leser alt du har skrevet f.eks) misforstå hele poenget med denne tråden og tro at du mener at skepsis er en negativ ting.

Hvordan være Troende.

Glem alt du har lært om vitenskap og logikk.
Ikke tenk rasjonelt.
Det var ikke en gren som dunket på vinduet,
det var hjelperen din som sa ifra at det blåser ute.
Alt kommer ned til tro, selv om det motsatte er bevist.

Sant sant, dog naturligvis overdrevet. *kremt*religion*kremt*
Faktisk ganske godt sagt. Den siste setningen altså.
Personlig er jeg overhodet ikke troende. Hadde jeg ikke sett håndfast bevis for telepati, clairvoyance, telekinese o.l, ville jeg vært en ganske hardnakket skeptiker. (Forhåpentligvis av den gode sorten. ) Så jeg har ingenting imot skeptikere, med mindre de viser nøyaktig null nysgjerrighet.

Øy! Jeg vil ha mitt navn på den signaturen din Joachim Solberg går fint takk!